He put everything into it. BARRY: I had a ball with the Christmas record. We played Washington State, Oregon, LA, and San Francisco. CHRIS: As soon as the guys who were still in school got out for Christmas break we did a West Coast tour. We were a cover band back in the days before the term caught on. I didnt know there were union rules and stuff like that! What was the reaction of the record company? I said who is that, God? CHRIS: It was pretty close but it was just the lyrics. He only released it regionally in Florida and it only sold like 2000 copies. The crowd loved it, they thought it was part of the show! We played it for him and he said play it again, I kind of like that. We got called into the Principals office one day and were told you cant stay here like that, you have to get a hair cut or well throw you out. I didnt know there were union rules and stuff like that! My mother thought I was on drugs! We were all into the English music invasion. It was pure Dick Holler. You had a choice between French, Latin, or German, ironically no Spanish then, and I chose German. Billy Taylor (keys), The stage was backlit so you could barely see a row out, the rest was just noise! We did the Summer Shower of Stars tour following that in the summer of 1967 with Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs and Tommy James and the Shondells. We were rehearsing the song and I was stomping my base drum foot even though I was not actually hitting the drum. Related Research Articles Peanuts is a syndicated daily and Sunday American comic strip written and illustrated by Charles M. Schulz that ran from October 2, 1950, to February 13, 2000, continuing in reruns afterward. The stage was backlit so you could barely see a row out, the rest was just noise! We did the Summer Shower of Stars tour following that in the summer of 1967 with Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs and Tommy James and the Shondells. ET: Did you play different tracks live than what was on the albums? They didnt take me because I had a bad elbow and back at the time so I had to wear a wig! BILL: Get the album done! I would call the gunfights on Saturdays and then play the piano for the can can shows. BILLY: I think we recorded that around August or early September because it was released the week before Thanksgiving. I was into the sound effects and finding things to hit that would make neat noises! JOHN: Of all the songs we did I think that one had the nicest production. ET: Well at least that one didnt have the word Snoopy in it! We had only been The Royal Guardsmen for two months and played one gig when they joined. Through the contacts with John Veciana and WALT radio, which was a radio station in Tampa that was a low power alternative to WLCY, they got us into playing local clubs in the Tampa Bay area. I played the timpani and a cymbal and put in a drum solo. There was a different sound and different tracks you wanted to play. Bill Balogh: The group evolved from a group I had when I was seventeen called The Posmen. My mother thought I was on drugs! ET: I noticed that the track listing is left off the album cover. ET: Being asked to join The Royal Guardsmen was obviously more attractive than starting with a new group like The Griffins. We came on stage and started doing all this Procol Harum stuff and they just sat down and didnt move for two hours! CHRIS: We got a good response to the shows. We got called into the Principals office one day and were told you cant stay here like that, you have to get a hair cut or well throw you out. We had a full orchestra. CHRIS: It was pretty close but it was just the lyrics. ET: Prior to the first album being released, what types of songs did you play in your live shows? CHRIS: We wanted to write serious music. I wasnt about to just let them throw me on the ground so I went to enlist and I cut all my hair off, I wasnt going to let them do that either. He was just a wonderful guy, just warm and personal. gen-u-wine, functional Sopwith Camel Gernhard came out to hear it and we figured he wont like it, hell leave us alone! They released that as a single and Billy and Barry wrote it. JOHN: When I Needed You was recorded, Chris had all the lights turned down and he made us step off to the side so we werent in his vision. The true image kept asserting itself. They had great harmony together. CHRIS: As soon as the guys who were still in school got out for Christmas break we did a West Coast tour. Gernhard said we needed a professional photo done. There was a different sound and different tracks you wanted to play. BILLY: We did a version of Charlie Brown for that album which was my only chance to be a star vocally. ET: So by June of 1966 the lineup for The Royal Guardsmen was finalized. In 1966, six young men, most still in high school, from Ocala, Florida formed a rock and roll group with the goal of providing exacting versions of current hits in a live setting. After a while, it got to where we would do the Snoopy songs first just to get them out of the way. I remember them saying they were getting the sound of my flip flops in the recording as I ran down the bells but I didnt think anyone would be able to hear it. It wasnt against each other it was just the whole business. If you listen closely, Chris does a great vocal on it. A lot of people were introduced to this single at a young age and when they flipped the record over they were in for a very jarring surprise on the B side. The Kingsmen had a hit with Jolly Green Giant and the Sam the Sham had Little Red Riding Hood. BILL: I think Laurie was Gernhards first option. I think thats what really kept us going after the Snoopy hit and the record company beating us with the gimmick stuff. BILL: We played the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Animals, and the Zombies. I played the timpani and a cymbal and put in a drum solo. They eventually changed their name to Gingerbread and recorded an album in New York called Flow. I saw this blue-white light just arc as it shorted out on my lip! BILL: That same music store, which was in the Pine Street shopping center in Ocala, is where Jay, who was our guitar player but was now our manager, ran into a guy named John Veciana. ET: How did I Needed You end up on the B-side of Snoopy vs. We played Washington State, Oregon, LA, and San Francisco. CHRIS: It was pretty close but it was just the lyrics. We got called into the Principals office one day and were told you cant stay here like that, you have to get a hair cut or well throw you out. The album was good but they were just throwing the single out there to keep it going. Eventually our attitude did get sour. From what I understand, they stamped up a new title of Squeaky vs. the Black Knight in Canada. Ricardo Montalban was the co-host. ET: Obviously, there was an official image of The Royal Guardsmen that was sold to the public and there was the true image behind that one that was a different group. BILLY: We did a version of Charlie Brown for that album which was my only chance to be a star vocally. It was booming through the riser I was on. They didnt take me because I had a bad elbow and back at the time so I had to wear a wig! I think a lot of that has to do with it being a 180 degree departure from Snoopy. We used to practice at Tom Richards house and we put the Snoopy song together in the garage. We didnt mind doing whatever they came up with from their writers as long as it was more along the lines of what we wanted to do but they pushed Return of the Red Baron on us. We had an orchestra conductor who was trying to rewrite the song because it wasnt clinically correct but it doesnt have to be clinically correct to be right! I dont remember if the German intro was Gernhards idea or mine but I remember walking around the studio writing it. CHRIS: We came up with a list of tracks we wanted to do that had a cartoon theme to them. When you went to the University of Florida at that time, you had to take a foreign language. Then Christmas of 1967 came around and they wanted us to do Snoopys Christmas which we werent too enthusiastic about but it turned out to be a good move. ET: Obviously, there was an official image of The Royal Guardsmen that was sold to the public and there was the true image behind that one that was a different group. Then Christmas of 1967 came around and they wanted us to do Snoopys Christmas which we werent too enthusiastic about but it turned out to be a good move. We played the Cow Palace in San Francisco with Jefferson Airplane. We had an orchestra conductor who was trying to rewrite the song because it wasnt clinically correct but it doesnt have to be clinically correct to be right! I had fun with that thing! They released that as a single and Billy and Barry wrote it. All the rest of them were in the drum corps in high school. ET: Did you do any touring in support of Snoopy Vs. ET: How did I Needed You end up on the B-side of Snoopy vs. We were rehearsing the song and I was stomping my base drum foot even though I was not actually hitting the drum. We went back into the studio in Tampa almost immediately. That came from Gernhard and his buddy, Johnny McCullough. Most of us were still in high school and couldnt have long hair so they had us wear wigs. ET: Did you play different tracks live than what was on the albums? How did that photo shoot come about? He put everything into it. I got to put in some instruments that they probably wouldnt have used if I hadnt mentioned I would like to do that. JOHN: Of all the songs we did I think that one had the nicest production. Eventually we told him to leave and finished up with the orchestra without him. I said who is that, God? BARRY: I had turned eighteen already and I was in the draft. Then Christmas of 1967 came around and they wanted us to do Snoopys Christmas which we werent too enthusiastic about but it turned out to be a good move. BARRY: It was within a months time frame, literally, from the time we recorded this thing to the time it started to kick. ET: Did Phil Gernhard have permission from Charles Schulz to use Snoopy? JOHN: When we did the Joey Bishop Show I went to move the boom mic because I didnt sing at that time and I heard a huge voice come out of the sky and say dont touch that! BILL: We played the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Animals, and the Zombies. The audience didnt accept it though because it wasnt what they thought of as The Royal Guardsmen. Were trying to get this song cut and were showing it to a lot of local bands to see who comes up with the best treatment. ET: Did Phil Gernhard have permission from Charles Schulz to use Snoopy? Chris Nunley, Barry Winslow, Bill Balogh, Billy Taylor, John Burdett, the late Tom Richards. ET: There could not have been much time between when you recorded the song and when they released it because it was on top of the charts already in November of 1966. JOHN: When we did the Joey Bishop Show I went to move the boom mic because I didnt sing at that time and I heard a huge voice come out of the sky and say dont touch that! Jay quit but he became our personal manager at that time. We didnt mind doing whatever they came up with from their writers as long as it was more along the lines of what we wanted to do but they pushed Return of the Red Baron on us. After a while, it got to where we would do the Snoopy songs first just to get them out of the way. ET: After the success of Snoopy Vs. the Red Baron, were you given any say in what was recorded next or was it just a given it would be another Snoopy song? We played Washington State, Oregon, LA, and San Francisco. The audience didnt accept it though because it wasnt what they thought of as The Royal Guardsmen. Did any other labels express interest? A lot of people were introduced to this single at a young age and when they flipped the record over they were in for a very jarring surprise on the B side. ET: So by June of 1966 the lineup for The Royal Guardsmen was finalized. ET: Well the Charlie Brown in that song is a different one from the Peanuts Charlie Brown and not painted in the most upstanding of lights. We had to chase the mic stands and one of them hit me right in the face! I got to put in some instruments that they probably wouldnt have used if I hadnt mentioned I would like to do that. We had an orchestra conductor who was trying to rewrite the song because it wasnt clinically correct but it doesnt have to be clinically correct to be right! That came from Gernhard and his buddy, Johnny McCullough. We played the Cow Palace in San Francisco with Jefferson Airplane. His lawyers smelled money and, whether Charles cared or not, the lawyers put a ding in us! BILL: There was only one group at that time that was better than us and drew better than us called The Incidentals. BILLY: We did do a four or five week tour right around Christmas time though but it was in between recording the album. It would turn so far one way and then stop and turn the other way. I remember them saying they were getting the sound of my flip flops in the recording as I ran down the bells but I didnt think anyone would be able to hear it. The album was good but they were just throwing the single out there to keep it going. They had great harmony together. Tom was the only one in the whole school who had red hair so eventually they figured it was him. CHRIS: We put together this kind of country, hokey-sounding thing and ran through it a couple of times. I would call the gunfights on Saturdays and then play the piano for the can can shows. We got together to rehearse on a Thursday or Friday and realized Gernhard is going to be here Saturday, we better do something with this song! ET: How close was this to the final version? ET: Thats funny because on the cover of The Return of the Red Baron album, you and Tom have the shortest hair in the group. We had to chase the mic stands and one of them hit me right in the face! I think thats what really kept us going after the Snoopy hit and the record company beating us with the gimmick stuff. BILLY: I think thats what kept us going. Did any other labels express interest? I had fun with that thing! There was a different sound and different tracks you wanted to play. ET: Obviously, there was an official image of The Royal Guardsmen that was sold to the public and there was the true image behind that one that was a different group. I also played this big line of tubular bells with flip flops on! Even though we had a partition behind us it was still odd. ET: Did you do any touring in support of Snoopy Vs. ET: There could not have been much time between when you recorded the song and when they released it because it was on top of the charts already in November of 1966. Gernhard said we needed a professional photo done. I also played this big line of tubular bells with flip flops on! We didnt mind doing whatever they came up with from their writers as long as it was more along the lines of what we wanted to do but they pushed Return of the Red Baron on us. I wasnt about to just let them throw me on the ground so I went to enlist and I cut all my hair off, I wasnt going to let them do that either. It wasnt against each other it was just the whole business. ET: How did I Needed You end up on the B-side of Snoopy vs. Gernhard said we needed a professional photo done. We both went and got hair cuts but we saved our hair and stuffed it in the schools mail box! JOHN: When we did the Joey Bishop Show I went to move the boom mic because I didnt sing at that time and I heard a huge voice come out of the sky and say dont touch that! The audience didnt accept it though because it wasnt what they thought of as The Royal Guardsmen. A lot of people were introduced to this single at a young age and when they flipped the record over they were in for a very jarring surprise on the B side. It held forty-five thousand people and the stage revolved. BARRY: They went long in Ricardo Montalbans segment and they just threw us in there. Heres a bunch of garage band kids with an amazing record on their hands and thrust into the world of big rock and roll! People were blown away with what we were playing. ET: Well the Charlie Brown in that song is a different one from the Peanuts Charlie Brown and not painted in the most upstanding of lights. We had people come up to us afterwards and say we came to laugh at the Snoopy boys but you guys can play! Were you pushing for something else? The place was packed and the stage started to jerk about every tenth round. My parents had just bought me a Farfisa organ which was an Italian combo that was more of a tank than the Vox Continental, it wasnt as cool. They didnt take me because I had a bad elbow and back at the time so I had to wear a wig! BILL: After Snoopys Christmas, the follow up was I Say Love which was an original song. Tom was the only one in the whole school who had red hair so eventually they figured it was him. BARRY: We did one show in Seattle at a huge coliseum called The Round. We had a full orchestra. Eventually we told him to leave and finished up with the orchestra without him. He said hi, my name is Phil Gernhard and Im a record producer. You had a choice between French, Latin, or German, ironically no Spanish then, and I chose German. BILL: We werent too enthusiastic about it in the first place because all Gernhard had told us was to give it three or four chords and a military feel on the drums. Through the contacts with John Veciana and WALT radio, which was a radio station in Tampa that was a low power alternative to WLCY, they got us into playing local clubs in the Tampa Bay area. They were that blown away. We were a cover band back in the days before the term caught on. The Red Baron? John Burdett, who was the drummer for The Guardsmen, was our drummer. Charles looked at it but never sent a response on whether we could do this or not. Billy Taylor (keys), We played the Cow Palace in San Francisco with Jefferson Airplane. ET: How close was this to the final version? They list a few songs on the front but its basically a big drawing of the Red baron on the cover and a tiny picture of The Royal Guardsmen on the back. I had fun with that thing! JOHN: Of all the songs we did I think that one had the nicest production. People were blown away with what we were playing. We had to chase the mic stands and one of them hit me right in the face! That was our way of dealing with the whole situation. I dont remember the correct order but those were the first four songs we recorded. After a while, it got to where we would do the Snoopy songs first just to get them out of the way. That came from Gernhard and his buddy, Johnny McCullough. The place was packed and the stage started to jerk about every tenth round. He sang it with all of his heart. BILLY: Absolutely, we did Sunshine of Your Love, Purple Haze and lots of Procol Harum. BILL: I think Laurie was Gernhards first option. Did they still want to continue with the novelty records? ET: Obviously, there was an official image of The Royal Guardsmen that was sold to the public and there was the true image behind that one that was a different group. ET: Well the Charlie Brown in that song is a different one from the Peanuts Charlie Brown and not painted in the most upstanding of lights. I dont remember if the German intro was Gernhards idea or mine but I remember walking around the studio writing it. Then Christmas of 1967 came around and they wanted us to do Snoopys Christmas which we werent too enthusiastic about but it turned out to be a good move. Did any other labels express interest? JOHN: We were setting up one night and somebody asked me the name of my band. They released that as a single and Billy and Barry wrote it. Then Larry Rich got his draft notice and decided to join the Navy. Tom was the only one in the whole school who had red hair so eventually they figured it was him. We had a full orchestra. When we got the album done and they listed the songs, Charles Schulz asked us not to include that one. After a while, it got to where we would do the Snoopy songs first just to get them out of the way. Most of us were still in high school and couldnt have long hair so they had us wear wigs. They were going to have a Shower of Stars at the Curtis Hixson Hall made up of mostly Tampa groups with Monte Rock the Third as the headliner and we were asked to play. CHRIS: We came up with a list of tracks we wanted to do that had a cartoon theme to them. They were that blown away. We had to chase the mic stands and one of them hit me right in the face! I got to put in some instruments that they probably wouldnt have used if I hadnt mentioned I would like to do that. Chris Nunley, Barry Winslow, Bill Balogh, Billy Taylor, John Burdett, the late Tom Richards. We had to chase the mic stands and one of them hit me right in the face! BILL: For our first session, we did Baby Lets Wait, we did the blues song I Needed You, a song Tom wrote called He Isnt Here, and Leaving Me. We were rehearsing the song and I was stomping my base drum foot even though I was not actually hitting the drum. We were a cover band back in the days before the term caught on. We had an orchestra conductor who was trying to rewrite the song because it wasnt clinically correct but it doesnt have to be clinically correct to be right! We never actually practiced but we had done lots of planning. JOHN: Of all the songs we did I think that one had the nicest production. CHRIS: We got a good response to the shows. BARRY: I had turned eighteen already and I was in the draft. I suspect Charles Schulz didnt want his Charlie Brown to be associated with that one. Chris had the vocals for the Jagger and Burdon styles and Barry had the vocals for the Beatles. On The Return of the Red Baron we had him saying I hate that little dog Snoopy! ET: Well at least that one didnt have the word Snoopy in it! The Royal Guardsmen. We played with the Beach Boys in Seattle. CHRIS: Right, smoking in the auditorium! I saw this blue-white light just arc as it shorted out on my lip! I was down at Johnsons Beach one Saturday watching The Royal Guardsmen play when Larry Rich called me aside and asked me if I would like to replace him in the group. They didnt take me because I had a bad elbow and back at the time so I had to wear a wig! We didnt mind doing whatever they came up with from their writers as long as it was more along the lines of what we wanted to do but they pushed Return of the Red Baron on us. I think thats what really kept us going after the Snoopy hit and the record company beating us with the gimmick stuff. I wasnt about to just let them throw me on the ground so I went to enlist and I cut all my hair off, I wasnt going to let them do that either. That came from Gernhard and his buddy, Johnny McCullough. I was into the sound effects and finding things to hit that would make neat noises! They released that as a single and Billy and Barry wrote it. I was into the sound effects and finding things to hit that would make neat noises! We had a full orchestra. We didnt get his blessings. Gernhard said we needed a professional photo done. Ironically, after I had quit the band in 1969, by 1970 I was playing piano in the honky tonk saloon at Six Gun Territory for two and a half years while I finished up college. Did they still want to continue with the novelty records? ET: So Phil Gernhard shopped the demo around and the song ended up on Laurie. CHRIS: We got a good response to the shows. ET: Prior to the first album being released, what types of songs did you play in your live shows? The true image kept asserting itself. BILL: After Snoopys Christmas, the follow up was I Say Love which was an original song. I didnt know there were union rules and stuff like that! We did the Summer Shower of Stars tour following that in the summer of 1967 with Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs and Tommy James and the Shondells. We were rehearsing the song and I was stomping my base drum foot even though I was not actually hitting the drum. He put everything into it. They wanted to get something out there and keep it going. Gernhard said we needed a professional photo done. BILL: We played the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Animals, and the Zombies. I was actually asked to audition for The Guardsmen along with a couple of other people. JOHN: We did the Mike Douglas Show. ET: After the success of Snoopy Vs. the Red Baron, were you given any say in what was recorded next or was it just a given it would be another Snoopy song? ET: After the success of Snoopy Vs. the Red Baron, were you given any say in what was recorded next or was it just a given it would be another Snoopy song? How did that photo shoot come about? He put everything into it. We looked at the legal pad but didnt think much about it because we had a show to play. How did that photo shoot come about? BILLY: We played a community center in Chicago during our 1968 tour for a bunch of hip kids. On The Return of the Red Baron we had him saying I hate that little dog Snoopy! JOHN: Of all the songs we did I think that one had the nicest production. John Burdett (drums) I think a lot of that has to do with it being a 180 degree departure from Snoopy. What was the reaction of the record company? BARRY: They went long in Ricardo Montalbans segment and they just threw us in there. We had a keyboard player before Billy Taylor whose name was Larry Rich and he and I were in the same class together. BILL: It was the only thing we had left in the can! ET: So Phil Gernhard shopped the demo around and the song ended up on Laurie. You had a choice between French, Latin, or German, ironically no Spanish then, and I chose German. We played with the Beach Boys in Seattle. It wasnt against each other it was just the whole business. We came on stage and started doing all this Procol Harum stuff and they just sat down and didnt move for two hours! BILLY: We played a community center in Chicago during our 1968 tour for a bunch of hip kids. I had fun with that thing! We had an orchestra conductor who was trying to rewrite the song because it wasnt clinically correct but it doesnt have to be clinically correct to be right! The record company wanted to keep them in the novelty mode for as long as hits could be milked out and attempted to make them as faceless as possible in a move that pre-dated The Archies by several years. The A and B sides of that single were clearly intended for two different audiences. There was a different sound and different tracks you wanted to play. You had a choice between French, Latin, or German, ironically no Spanish then, and I chose German. I suspect Charles Schulz didnt want his Charlie Brown to be associated with that one. 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